Ok updated itunes , still wouldnt work, into dfu mode , kicked it out of dfu with tinyumbrella, the used red snow to enter pwn dfu mode to accept custom ipsw which i created built stitched etc now it seems to be getting somewhere instead of having the itunes circle with usb cable lead and arrow photo on it it actually has the apple sign and a loading bar underneath, woooooohooooooo looks promising, fingers, toes and everything crossed , cmon baby, cmon !